SALVATION!

WOW!

Last nights band practice was FANTASTIC! I had to choose the songs for the meeting etc and so when three youth rocked up un-announced I was excited they had come, but after a while, all I wanted to do was worship God, and these youth were just stuffing around! We closed the night in prayer as we normally do, but before we got praying...

one of them asked if they could "feel the power of God like I had described the other day!". So I told them the way of Salvation, then spoke briefly about the Holy Spirit. I then told them they had to pray and ask for forgiveness of their sins and give their life to God.

What followed was amazing. Two of them gave their lives over to God, confessing their sins to Him, saying sorry, giving their life to Him, then we prayed for them one at a time. They both felt the Holy Spirit touching them!

What is great is that one of them had been hanging around for ages, and he finally committed to the Lord, the other had been with us only once before. It just goes to show that the good news is the power of God to save! Hallelujah!

Join with me as I pray for these youth!

Wholistic Mission

God is good! More prophetic confirmation today!

Also, been thinking about wholistic mission. Heres what I'm thinking, if we choose to do only 'part' of our mission, (e.g social work OR evangelism) then we are in effect compromising our mission. If our social centers are not wholistic then they are a compromise of our mission. More importantly I think, if Corps are not engaged in wholistic mission they too have a compromised mission. Both are a waste of resources.

Jesus was asked whats the most important commandment, He replied, "LOVE God and LOVE others." If we do both of these we cant go wrong. Jesus' greatest command was wholistic! However how many Corps and Social Centers are missionally compromised?

I'm not saying the work they do is bad, wrong, or not worthwhile! Far from that. We do HEAPS of GREAT work even when our mission is compromised! What I am saying though is that it is not complete.

As The Salvation Army we are trying to accomplish our mission right? So many of us don't believe we're doing that, its too big a mission! Then what is the point? I want to see our mission completed! Our mission is there because The Salvation Army was raised up to accomplish that mission. If what we are doing does not accomplish that mission then why do we keep doing it?

We have two ways forward. 1 is to keep going about things slowly, gradually trying to change the culture of the Army. Eventually it might work out. 2 is aggressive. Its to take a stand right now, to change structures, procedures, thinking, and to join the rEVOLution! Slash and burn to build up a strong new force that will see Australia and the world impacted by Jesus' wholistic commandments.

How are you LOVING God and your neighbor?

Authority

Ive been reading 1 and 2 Samuel. I'm always amazed at David in the Old Testament. Saul tried to kill him on several occasions. He tried to kill him in the palace, then tried to get the Philistines to kill him in battle, and then he chased him all over the place for yonks! He had to hide in caves, and even had a chance to kill him, but didnt! What was he thinking?

Saul was an idiot. He would clearly disobey God. David should have been the King. Saul was not who was meant to be King, he was doing the right thing. Why didn't David just kill him? It would have saved time, pain, and everything would have been sorted out much quicker? I don't get it?

People talk about how all authority comes from God so we should submit to those in authority. I find that terribly hard to believe. What about Saddam Hussein? Hitler? Constantine? Mohammad? Saul? How does that work? They clearly disobey God. Clearly sin! And sin ALOT! And David killed Goliath! Thats just as much of a sin as killing Saul isnt it? Goliath was in authority, how come he didn't bow to that?

I know God is King of Kings and Lord of Lords and He gets our 1st Submission, against Him we cannot go. But how does that work with David? He could have killed him, or atleast overthrown him and stopped such sin from happening. Gee, I sound like I'm saying we need to sin sometimes to do good! AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!

Anyways, I believe if people in authority are sinning, arent repenting even though theyve been warned, we need to step up sometimes. But does anyone have something smart to say about this compared to my dribble? Is there a differernce between authority in the church and worldly authority? how do we get rid of bad leaders in the church? hahahaha im too tired for this!

Prophet words and holiness

I feel like Ive been one of those Kings in the Old Testament, who even after hearing remarkably prophetic words from prophets theyre still not sure and do their own thing! I woke up the other morning and God told me to write in my journal instead of Bible and prayer, So I did. Then later in the day God sent a prophet to speak to me who said some amazing things. What this prophet was telling me to do was backed up by a string of comments about things I had written in my journal. Even though that was so obviously God, theres still something in me that says, hold on, I need more confirmation! Prophets, cant live with them, cant live without them! hahaha

Also, I need to testify to some of the victories Ive been having on the holiness front. Im beginning to understand the meaning of having faith leading to holiness. Ive been alot more believing in my prayers, and its working! Hallelujah. A few weeks ago at Basketball I got sent out of the stadium for a bit of unsportsmanlike behaviour. Nothing serious but it was unsportsman like. This Monday I was completely differernt, I shook all their hands, wished them the best, congratulated them after good shots, and they let me stay playing! hahaha also,

I can get annoyed at people who dont drive "properally." Some may call it road rage. But since believeing more, Ive stopped getting angry and frusturated, and have started to really just not care! Hallelujah!

Do you want the blessing of a clean heart? Do you want to be filled with love? Do you want to have the choice wether to sin or not instead of falling into sinful habits? Devote your whole life to God, leave it on the altar, let Him purify you, have faith that it is done, and as Brengle said, "Testify, Testify, Testify!"

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness! 1 John 1:9

Ephesians 3:14-21

For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15from whom his whole family^[a] in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

20Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

Prayer

Check this out: www.24-7.salvationarmy.org.au

24/7 prayer in our territory! Hallelujah! Prayer joins every revival! Lets get the coggs turning people!

Also, holiness intensive! Nearly finished! Im sooo worn out! Anyways, its been interesting that some people seem to think Entire Sanctification is about the time when it happend. I couldnt care less about when it happend only that we are living in the power and grace of God. How does that sit with people? If youre not sure if youve been entirely sanctified, does that language sound better? I should also note, look at Romans 7 and 8, which chapter are you living in? If youre Romans 8 that would probably mean youve been entirely sanctified! Romans 7 then follow thses steps:

1) Ask God to show you all your sins, (places where youre falling short and disobeying God.)
2) Say sorry for them, and turn away from them
3) Give God your whole life, time, money, skills, posessions, tell Him He can do what He likes with your life. What you lay on the 'altar' God will 'sanctify' (what you give to God He will make holy/set apart)
4)Live out your life in faith the things God has intended for you. That you shall not be slave to sin, but slave to righteousness!
5) Tell people the victories you have over sin, and temptation!

God is good!

"If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14

Lowering Standards

I get frusturated and annoyed when I hear people talking about entire sanctification/full salvation and downgrade the meaning so that they can say they have entire sanctification or full salvation. It can be scarey to think that we're not entirely sanctified but it does not mean we are not saved. It does not mean we're second class Christians! It just means we're not entirely sanctified!

For all salvationists out there, here is a reason from our core beliefs why we cant downplay entire sanctification, this shows entire sanctification is different to regeneration and continued obedient faith (which are present in any saved Christian, entirely sanctified or not...)

Doctrine 7
We believe that repentance towards God, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, and regeneration by the Holy Spirit, are necessary to salvation.

Doctrine 9
We believe that continuance in a state of salvation depends upon continued obedient faith in Christ.

Doctrine 10
We believe that it is the privilege of all believers to be wholly sanctified, and that their whole spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Doctrine 7 and 9 are different than 10, if they were not different they wouldnt have had to put number 10 in there! Number 10 is different. But it is connected!

Brengle uses the example of someone turning on the light switch then the light coming on. 2 different things that are connected. Not the same, but connected!

If youre a salvo, what do you think? Have I got this wrong?

"Living in sin"

I went and listend to "Franky Wants Out" (a friends band) play in a pub the other night. They sounded pretty good, had the Evelyn full and there was a pretty good atmosphere. It was great to see so many salvos there, one friend of mine said that we should have worn uniform and put it in for stats for something!

Anyway, thats one point. Church doesnt need to be done in a church building. It can be done anywhere. I think the salvos these days are struggling to reach the people outside of the church in the same way we use to. We use to be able to go into pubs, make a noise, sing some songs and lead people to Christ. Why is it different today? I think the culture in the pubs have changed, and the culture of Salvationists have changed.

Secondly, the band played a song called "Living in sin." The lead singer raised his glass to living in sin. The song may have been jovial, it was certainly catchy, but I believe this represents alot of Salvationists these days.

I need to clarify that Im not bagging Salvationists. Im not talking about Salvationists state of eternal salvation. What I am talking about is Entire Sanctification. Im my holiness intensive its been confirmed that we are generally no longer taught holiness. We're not taught practical holiness. I know there are some officers that do teach the subject, but generally speaking we dont teach it anymore. When it is taught its normally hidden, but I have not heard many sermons on entire sanctification as The Salvation Army believes.

This potentially means that alot of Salvationists are living in sin. If we're not being taught or encouraged to seek Entire Sanctification then not may will be entirely sanctified.

I believe there is a direct link between our holiness beliefs and our missional focus. Entire Sanctification means getting rid of your sin nature (not just committed sins) by the blood of Jesus and being filled with the fire of the Holy Spirit, being filled with perfect love, so that we no longer follow the sinful nature but the loving nature. If all Salvationists had this Im sure we would look different. Im sure our mission would look different.

Anyways, thats my ramblings for the day!

Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Galatians 5:24-25

Kylies Underwear!

Holiness intensive has been great! So much to say but I'll talk about that later.

I love kylie Minogue. I even bought her Kylie Fever CD even though everyone was teasing me. But whats annoying me at the moment is Kylie's new range of lingerie for 8-16 year olds!

Kylie sees lingerie today "like shoes and diamonds - a girl simply can’t have too many" on her website it speaks of lingerie range as "sexy, lacy, racy, girly, fun, comfortable for everyday ... and night."

Are these the types of messages we should be sending our young girls and young teenagers? Why do we need to make lingerie for young girls? Why do the girls feel that they need to be 'sexy' when they're not even a teenager? Why does the industry want to open lingerie up to even younger girls? What motivates these people? Will this situation get better or worse in time? How close is the gap between wearing sexy underwear and getting engaging in sex, be it in thoughts or deeds? How does this make God feel? How do you feel women?

To me, it is clear that our culture sees nothing as sacred compared to the almighty dollar. Our culture is saying that its ok to treat women like objects. Its saying that the outward appearance is more important than the inside, the heart. Morality comes second to lust.

As for me, I'm going to try and live my life giving worth to women, not treating them as objects or posessions or as 'eye candy.'

Holiness Intensive day 3

So busy!!! Plenty Valley is going well! I smell a salvation! More details soon!

Im loving this holiness intensive! John Wesley was a great man and has left a great impression on the world. Its been great seeing:

a) holiness/entire sanctification/full salvation is scriptural and
b) holiness/entire sanctification/full salvation is possible
c) Wesley's theology of prevenient grace (God working in/for us before salvation)
d) how positive Wesleyan theology is toward humanity

A man was put in prison because he killed someone. After a bit the warden came to give him his pardon. He came to the cell and gave the pardon to the murderer, he left the door open but the man stayed in his cell. He was in the cell because he comitted the crime, but he stayed there because he rejected the pardon. I'm sure you can see what that means...

3 Critical Theological Points

1) Salvation also known as Salvation
2) Entire Sanctification also known as Full Salvation
3) Glorification also known as Final Salvation

Both Wesleyan and Calvinist theologies have all 3 points, the difference being Calvin believes entire sanctification cant happen during our time on earth whilst Wesley does.

Finally, Calvins theology comes out of their belief of the nature of God (which is that God is Sovereign.) Wesley started in a different spot, He started at Gods character. (LOVE) Therefore Calvins ideas of once saved always saved, irresistable grace, double predestination etc are dont work when if we start at a God who LOVES us! More on this later!

Holiness intensive day 1

Woohoo! Im doing an intensive on holiness for the next two weeks, which means im studying at the training college during the mornings, and working in the afternoons! Busy busy! Please pray for me!

But its great. I'm really looking forward to learning heaps more! Todays lecture was pretty simple to me. (done all the thinking before...) I learnt some new stuff that I hadnt heard before which is making other things make sense but it also made me aware of a couple of misconceptions about holiness. I'm not sure if these are in Geoff and Kaylie Webbs new book, which im hearing is very very good, but I'll pop them up anyway...

Some think holiness means:

1) Entire sanctification is a destination, but its not
2) we dont recieve the Holy Spirit until wholly sanctified, but thats wrong!
3) only the wholly holy go to heaven, wrong again!
4) that the not entirely sanctified are second class citizens, this is untrue
5) legalism and self righteousness, but its actually the opposite...
6) sinlessness is the goal of the sanctified life, which is wrong as it leaves out being full of love (sorry coz i've probably written down this trail of thought before without adding the love bits...)
7) that the wholly holy wont get tempted, but even Jesus was tempted
8) the same as entire sanctifiaction, again not so (will talk more about this later!)
9) some think that the expectaions of holiness are impossible to live up to, but isnt grace more powerful than sin???

once again, i think language is one of the doctrine of holiness' biggest obstacles...

got so much more to write but will save it for another day!!!

Tagged

I was just 'tagged' by Jo Brookshaw, so here I go, tagging away too: Simon Mapleback, Greg Peterson, Xander Coleman, Sarah Elley and Tish Rowe. You guys are next...

OK, the rules: grab the book closest to you. Turn to page 161. Print the 5th complete sentence on your blog. Tag 5 others.

"Once again, Jesus is our best example."
(The Forgotten Ways, Alan Hirsch)

Read a great quote in a book the other day saying that spiritual gifts are given to those who "are willing and not necessarily mature!" I agree with that. I think thats a great reason why we should have priesthood of all believers!!!!!! We all have a part to play!

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another thought ive been thinking with friendship evangelism, if we're being their friends until they are 'ready' to commit, or waiting until they see something they like to convert, or start a conversation, and we dont talk or warn them about sin, then what are they really being saved from? And saved into what? Saved into a nice set of morals??? Please!!!!! We have enough of those people already! Lets get people saved from sin who wanna see others saved from sin!!!!

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Colin did a great preach on Sunday talking about cleaning out the shed. Even mentioned Brengle and at the end gave us a chance to clean out our hearts. Thought it was good and had a good prayer time.

Thats it for tonight

New Blog

I stumbled across a new blog this morning by Alan Hirsch. Its called "The Forgotten ways", named after his most recent book. Heres a quote about the book:

"How did the number of Christians in the world grow from as few as 25,000 one hundred years after Christ’s death to up to 20 million in AD 310?

How did the Chinese underground church grow from 2 million to over 100 million in sixty years despite considerable opposition? In The Forgotten Ways, Alan Hirsch reveals the paradigmatic insights he discovered as he delved into those questions. He then translates these findings into the context of the contemporary Western church."

There the sort of questions im interested in. Hirsch is now at Fuller over in the U.S which to me means his pretty good! I believe hes aussie, or atleast spent heaps of time in Australia. Im sure his blog and website will be helpful and challenging. Check it out.

http://www.theforgottenways.org/

Hate sin

i read in the newspaper today an article by a muslim. This person was saying that Peter ostello is harsh on muslims but not catholics. The article is basically about catholics and muslims not accepting the secular but how costello only has a go at the muslims.. The author also draws parallells between George Pell and the Sheik Hilal. While i dont agree with alot of the article it made me think.

Muslims tend to get pretty upset when someone has a go at their reigion or their god. Im reminded of the catch the fire ministries guys, and even times when radio people have been made to appologise to muslims. It can be seen today that you cant tease or mock Islam otherwise you will get in trouble from either the law, the community, or from angry muslims...

Then we look at what is acceptable in society. Look at how many movies and tv shows reguarly use Jesus name in vain. Its a swear word. A quick listen to any of the last few comedy festivals and you will see that there is always atleast one comedian who bases an act on mocking Christianity.

I believe as Christians we have dropped the ball big time. Not just on things like using the Lords name in vain but especially in social justice issues. These are all problems of sin. Even in many churches theology is turning liberal making sin not to be as bad as what it once was. Is the reason why it is acceptable because we allow it or because we're forgiving? It doesnt matter.

Jesus said its better to lose an eye than go to hell, He also said that whoever causes a kid to sin deserves to be drowned! Paul speaks about hating even the clothes stained by sin. Sin is bad. As Christians we should hate all sin!

We should hate social evils like alcohol, drugs, human trafficking, prostitution, sleeping around, unfair laws, not worshiping Jesus etc Theres so many I cant list them all...

Anyway, the article made me think, we need to hate sin more.

1 John 1 and Romans 7

Firstly, make sure you read the other blog (how are you?) below and check out the challenge at the end...

There have been a couple of comments on one of my blogs about holiness. Its amazing how many people dont believe we can be holy on the Earth now. Its amazing the Scripture some people use to try and defend their position. Its amzing how many Salvationists no longer believe our doctrines.

I want to have a quick look at 1 John 1:5-2:11. Most of this part is from John Wesley...

Many people use verse 8, "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" to say we cant be holy. Verse 8 is speaking about before we have been cleansed by the blood, as verse 9 say BUT "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

1) Both to forgive us our sins — To take away all the guilt of them.
2) And to cleanse us from all unrighteousness — To purify our souls from every kind and every degree of it.

All unrighteousness, that to me means original sin, personal sin, sinful desires and passions, ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. The only thing left that can make us sin is the same disobedience that Adam and Eve committed when they took the apple.

Verse 10 then says we have all sinned. We agree. We can never forget that we have been past sinners.

The rest of the passage speaks of living in the light, about not sinning, about how if we really are in Jesus then we wont sin!

People also use Romans 7:15 "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." Unfortunately they again have missed what Paul is saying. Look at verse 14 says, "We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin" hes having a go at the jews. Hes being sarcastic. He does this sort of thing all the time. (look at Romans 6:1, 6:15 etc)

Then he builds his case in the next few verses finally coming to 24 "What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?" Then he gives his answer, "25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin." Once again we see there are two sides to be on, death and sin or God and righteousness! Romans 7 is totally connected to Romans 6:11-14 if you dont think this logic is working! Hes saying he is a slave to righteousness not sin!

Heres a couple more verses that I believe back me up, Galatians 5:24 "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires." 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

The Salvation Army Doctrine 10:We believe that it is the privilege of all believers to be wholly sanctified, and that their whole spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

ok thats me, and how I read those passages, Im open for a debate!

How are you?

I was finishing off reading John Wimbers Power Evangelism the other day and came across a cool story. It basically goes along these lines...

Wimber had finished teaching a "Signs and Wonders" course at a uni. One of the students came up to him and asked, "What do I do now?" The man spent alot of his time in admin meetings and didnt know what to do with what he had just learnt. Wimbers advice was simple, "Be like Jesus wherever you go, whatever you do."

He then got a letter back from the student saying that he would ask people, "How are you?" then pray for them on the spot and he had great results.

So today I was on msn talking to someone I hadnt for some time. Shes going through a rough time and needs some answers. I offerd to pray for her even though shes REALLY anti-God. The name "Greg" kept coming into my head so of course I told God He was crazy, well, that I was crazy and it wasnt Him speaking to me. But it didnt leave me alone. I remembered the above story and asked her if she knew who Greg was.

The question about Greg fitted perfectly into the conversation and when she asked how I knew I was able to tell her God had told me, followed up by my typical, "I told you God was real!" She now has a taste that God is real, and I can continue to challenge her about her faith in God.

So, whoever reads my blog, Be like Jesus and Do like Jesus! Step out in faith! Who cares if we get laughed at, imagine getting people saved on the spot with a demonstration of Gods power! Its about time we let God do His thing!

Heres the challenge: Whenever you ask how someone is, pray for them right away on the spot for their troubles! Lets put the pressure on God to heal people! To free people! To show people His love in a practical way! God move in our lives!

My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power!
1 Corinthians 2:4

Workers Needed

WE NEED YOUR HELP!

DO YOU LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOU HAVE? DO YOU LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF? DO YOU WANT TO SEE PEOPLE SAVED FROM SIN BOTH IN THE NOW AND FOR ETERNITY?

THERE ARE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE SALVATION ARMY PLENTY VALLEY YOUTH FOR PEOPLE WHO LOVE GOD AND LOVE PEOPLE. WE HAVE HEAPS OF CONTACTS WITH YOUTH BUT ARE IN SHORTAGE OF COMMITTED MEN AND WOMEN OF GOD WHO CAN BE READILY AVAILABLE TO GO AND DO WHAT GOD REQUIRES OF THEM.

WE ARE WANTING TO SERVE THE YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY AS BEST WE CAN WITH SCHOOL BREAKFAST CLUBS, HOMEWORK CLUBS, SPORTS TEAMS, MENTORING, AND OF COURSE LEADING PEOPLE TO CHRIST. AS WELL AS WITH MANY MORE IDEAS AND PLANS THAT WE HAVE.

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THE PLENTY VALLEY AREA ARE SADLY GOING TO HELL, AND SOME FEEL AS THOUGH THEY ARE ALREADY THERE.

IT DOESNT NEED TO BE LIKE THAT! WE DONT WANT IT TO BE LIKE THAT!

WE NEED MEN AND WOMEN WHO LOVE GOD, HAVE A BURNING PASSION FOR PEOPLE GETTING SAVED BOTH TEMPORALLY AND ETERNALLY. PEOPLE WILLING TO GO THE EXTRA MILE. WE NEED UNASHAMED SERVANTS OF JESUS TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. PEOPLE WHO WILL LOVE PEOPLE UNCONDITIONALLY!

IF YOUVE GOT WHAT IT TAKES, OR WANT TO LEARN HOW TO SERVE GOD THEN COME JOIN THE PLENTY VALLEY YOUTH TEAM. CONTACT ME!

LETS SAVE THE WORLD!

Pimp my ride

Saw this (below) on Joe Nolands web site...

On the back window it says "For the wages of sin is death but the free gift of God is eternal life!" On the sides theres also words like "love" "agape" etc... The coffin inside turned into a platform for the singing group to use...

So, does anyone have a hearse we can pimp out? We can grab some massive rims, get the neon strobe lights put on, a novelty horn, chuck some awessome speakers in the back, get the music pumping and cruise down Chapel street and do some evangelism!

I reckon its a great idea! If you wanna pledge some money for it, or donate the car prefably let me know!

Bob and Shazza

One day a man named Bob had a great girlfriend called Shazza who was a doctor. They did all sorts of stuff together. They would hang out on weekends, and Shazza helped Bob with alot of his problems. You could say Bob owed her one... owed her alot atually.

Bob met a woman at work named Di. They enjoyed working together, having a few drinks after work and having good chats. But Bob never spoke about his girlfriend. Shazza knew all about Di, but Di didnt know anything about Shazza. He didnt want to ruin the relationship with Di so he thought hed keep quiet until Di would understand...

Then one day Shazza had enough and cut off all ties with Bob because Bob was ashamed of her even though Shazza had done so much for him. Then Di fell seriously ill and died.

Thats what evangelism these days is like and i hate it.

I hate how we use 'steps' to get people saved. I hate how we want to get people into this program to get them into this program before we can talk about God. Are we ashamed of God? How did Shazza feel? How does God feel?

To be really effective God needs to be in every part of our life. People these days DO BELIEVE in GOD!!! They may not like church, but a quick look at our culture will reveal people are craving some type of spirituality. hey are searching for Jesus but many will not find Him.

If you had the cure for AIDS what would you do? If you had the cure for sin, lonliness, depression, sickness, demon posession, and death etc what would you do?